THE
GREAT Iain
Milne has been banging-on about the lack of “ordinary” adult
players playing rugby in Scotland for some time now. He has famously
said: “The
trouble is, we don't have enough “bad” players playing the game.”
It
is an issue which concerns him.
Iain Milne - concerned for the long-term health of Scottish Rugby
“The
Bear” was on his hobby horse again, in the course of a spirited
Facebook debate at the weekend, one which I thought deserved to be
discussed further. It all kicked-off with something Bill Lothian
posted, regarding the supposed Edinburgh revival.
The
debate then took a diversion into a wee bit about Super-6, before
settling down on the matter of club rugby, with The Bear saying this:
“We
need to move forward now, there is not a lot of time to get things
right at club level. I would doubt we had many more than 4,000 adult
males playing the game on Saturday, these numbers cannot sustain the
game in the future.“
I
reckoned that “4,000 adult males playing the game on
Saturday,” estimate from big Iain looked dubious,
then I checked. On Saturday, 81 league games were played, across the
4 “national” leagues (Premiership and Nationals 1, 2 and 3) and
13 Regional leagues in Scotland. Assuming each team had a 20-man
squad, that's 3240 adult male players involved.
In
addition, 22 Reserve League games were played. If we assume an
average of 35 players per game (2x15s plus some replacements), that
gives us another 770 players in action, making a grand total of 4010
adult males playing rugby in Scotland on Saturday.
Only
one scheduled league fixture at 1st XV level was unplayed
on Saturday – a 99% completion rate. However, 35 Reserve League
games were scheduled for Saturday, but only 22 of these, or 63% were
actually played. Overall, 88% of Saturday's scheduled adult male
games went ahead.
In
all, across Scotland, around 150 clubs are fielding at least one XV
in first team league games on a Saturday – while a look at my
latest edition of the SRU Handbook (2017-2018),
listed some 250 adult male clubs in either full or associate
membership of the SRU. I arrived at that figure by discounting the
likes of “invitation” clubs such as Co-optimists, or the overseas
clubs – London and Hong Kong Scottish.
But,
even allowing that, this means, only 60% of Scotland's rugby clubs
are playing on any given Saturday. I accept, the colleges and
university sector has largely withdrawn from league rugby – they
now mostly play in the BUCS (British Universities and College Sport)
competitions, which are mostly played on a Wednesday afternoon.
Certainly,
many students, as they have always done, continue to play for their
home clubs on a Saturday, and we have such student teams as GUM
(Glasgow University Medics) playing in the leagues.
But,
can some way not be found, whereby some of the smaller – perhaps
more social clubs and more university clubs - can be got playing regularly on a Saturday?
If
even half of these irregular clubs could be helped to put out a team
on a Saturday, that would be a further 1000 players, a 25% increase
on the current number, playing. That has to be a good thing.
Again,
I turn to the wise words of The Bear, who said:
“As
I will keep saying the biggest issue in club rugby is the lack of
adult players playing the game. The club game is not sustainable in
its current form unless we increase the numbers. I am not talking
financial though the more playing will generate more income but the
lack of new volunteers for the future.
“The
Super 6 is nothing to do with “ Grass Roots Rugby” it’s about
giving a vehicle for young elite players to bridge the gap to pro
rugby. Our game at the top level and by that I mean Super 6 upwards
is in quite a strong place.
It’s proper club rugby that is dying, by that I mean 2xv, 3xv ( very few clubs) and 4thxv rugby. Take a look at the SRU league site, see how many games actually took place and how many reserve games are cancelled. (I have dealt this this point of Iain's above.)
“Let the Super 6 take its course but let’s concentrate on getting more bad players playing the game and enjoying our club room banter.
This is really controversial and I appreciate the work done by our club volunteers but clubs are failing in their duty to produce a product that young adults may enjoy.
With the 10,000 ‘s of youngsters (U18) playing but not coming into the adult game something is not working.
It is not a simple problem to solve but there are actions the clubs could take that would make a difference.”
Unfortunately,
The Bear did not make any suggestions as to what actions clubs could
take. However, on the basis of actions speaking louder than words, I
could suggest, the big man has acted, through his part, along with
the Calder twins, in setting-up Ferry Road Wanderers – the new
Stewart's-Melville/Heriot's composite club, aimed at getting more of
Iain's “bad players” playing.
As
far as I can tell, FRW has a squad, some of whom are, and I do not
mean this unkindly: “Has Beens and Never Weres” - experienced
older players who still feel the need to get out an have a run around
on a Saturday, augmented with some younger, fresher “legs”; guys
who had a good grounding at the two rugby-playing school, but, who
have yet to show they are ready for higher things in the Stew-Mel and
Heriot's first and second team squads.
This
is an old rugby ploy, back in the days – before squads and
wholesale replacements - of multiple XVs being fielded. Most clubs
had a “social XV”, where good players who could not devote the
necessary time to training, could strut their stuff, and if, along
the way, they helped develop a few players who could move up to the
club's top XV, that was a bonus. But, the main idea was to enjoy the
game and the craic afterwards.
We
need to get more of these sorts of teams playing – for the overall
health of Scottish Rugby. We have become too-focused on if not elite
rugby, then performance rugby at whatever level.
Dealing
only with the professional, and from next season, semi-professional
side of the game suits the “suits.” But - “fewer
but stronger,” simply will
not cut it for the great majority of Scotland's clubs and players.
So:
More power to Iain Milne's crusade on behalf of “bad players”.

Perhaps make all scrums at that level uncontested? Not good for those promoted to the first team but how many 3rd team forwards will? It's all about getting 30 bodies on the pitch on a Saturday afternoon.
ReplyDeleteI had thought of that Unnown, but, as an old front row forward, that thinking goes against the grain somewhat.
ReplyDeleteCaledonia had the scrum variation rules in play for a number of seasons. It was abandoned when the other regional leagues dropped it and the caley teams started lobbying to get it changed.
DeleteEither you have a proper front row or you don’t. Playing about with the laws won’t get more teams out.
As someone who started rugby playing for Crawley 5 XV, that's pretty scary. On the plus side, Rome was not built in a day and all that - how many minis and midis were participating in rugby last Sunday?
ReplyDeleteThinking back to playing in the Home Counties 15 years ago not many 3rd, 4th and 5th team colleagues were likely to make the firsts. Or adopt junior scrum rules, ie 1.5m push and 45 degree turn max.
ReplyDeleteYour piece covers many points crucial to the future health of our game, so I'll be spending some time compiling several replies putting my thoughts down on paper.
ReplyDeleteBut first up, I can't let Milne get away with this one:
"The Super 6 is nothing to do with “ Grass Roots Rugby” it’s about giving a vehicle for young elite players to bridge the gap to pro rugby. Our game at the top level and by that I mean Super 6 upwards is in quite a strong place."
"The Super 6 is nothing to do with “ Grass Roots Rugby”" ehh sorry, it's been deemed by the Board of Scottish Rugby to fall within the remit of Domestic Rugby.
Funding that goes to Super 6 from the Domestic Rugby budget is being taken directly from the mouths of "Grass Roots Rugby" Clubs.
The top-level game is in such a strong place at the moment that it looks like they can't fund the Super 6 project so they have to come to the Domestic Rugby department to get the funds.
Got to work now, so more later.
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ReplyDeleteIt’s been a concern of mine fur a number of years - how many players are actually playing on a Saturday. I remember the SRU tried to claim over 10k players a few years ago.
ReplyDeleteSo the good news is with the new SCRUM system they will be able to say precisely how many players are out at any given time.
Over to you SRU
We're six weeks into the competitive season (for some), and looking across the Tennents sponsored competitions (men & women, excluding reserve leagues) we look to have 43 games not fulfilled - 27 men and 16 women. The majority of these appear to be off due to at least one Club not being able to field a team.
ReplyDeleteAt the same point last season, it looks like we had 34 equivalent games not fulfilled in the mens senior competitions (don't have figures for the womens game).
This won't be enough data to show any statistical significance, but when we account for the late start to the Calie North leagues this year, the thought is that this season is in the same sort of ballpark as last - probably not great.
One of the early stated objectives of Agenda 3 was "fewer, but stronger", where those Clubs who were not strong enough to prove they were sustainable would be encouraged to pull their resources / merge with others.
Who identifies what is "sustainable" has never been answered, whilst past history suggests mergers can cause significant issues, so one assumes the less sustainable Clubs would then just disappear.
There does appear to have been a subtle shift in the line coming from Murrayfield, with Agenda 3 now being described as a project to "future-proof the grassroots game", whilst phrases like "growing the game across Scotland", "grow all aspects of the game" and "underlines our commitment to ensuring rugby at every level, in every region, grows and is truly a game for life" are being sprinkled in the most recent press releases.
But my concern is, if those Clubs who are struggling to field teams (both men and women) are managed out of existence, then where does the potential for growth come from - the youth and schools teams I hear you say. Well we can have a look at that next.
Across West Region last season we had 22 Clubs/Schools taking part in the whole Club/School Conference, with fulfilment rates across the age groups of:
ReplyDeleteSchools – Barbarian Conference:
Under 18s - 67% from 45 scheduled games
Under 16s - 58% from 45 scheduled games
Under 15s - 38% from 45 scheduled games
Under 14s - 78% from 45 scheduled games
Under 13s - 91% from 45 scheduled games
Club – Galant Conference
Under 18s - 74% from 54 scheduled games
Under 16s - 70% from 54 scheduled games
Under 15s - 57% from 54 scheduled games
Under 14s - 85% from 54 scheduled games
Under 13s - 83% from 54 scheduled games
Not bad at U13 & 14, but becoming a bit of a worry at U15, 16 & 18.
And this season to date we have 23 Clubs/Schools with fulfilment rates of:
Schools – Barbarian
Under 18s - 67% from 21 scheduled games
Under 16s - 57% from 21 scheduled games
Under 15s - 62% from 21 scheduled games
Under 14s - 95% from 21 scheduled games
Under 13s - 90% from 21 scheduled games
Club – Galant
Under 18s - 73% from 26 scheduled games
Under 16s - 48% from 25 scheduled games
Under 15s - 56% from 25 scheduled games
Under 14s - 64% from 25 scheduled games
Under 13s - 36% from 25 scheduled games
(note: additional non-west region clubs added to Conference this season)
So schools running at a similar rate to last season, but Clubs down (and quite significantly at Under 13 & 14).
In addition to the whole Club Conference we also have the T1 Shogun Conference (the big league) and the T4 conferences for those Clubs with fewer age groups to take part.
So looking across the West Region Clubs, we appear to have the following:
Under 18 Club teams * 18
Under 16 Club teams * 18
Under 15 Club teams * 20
Under 14 Club teams * 24
Under 13 Club teams * 19
In additional, we do also have the Schools Conferences but the Union has implemented what looks like the unique policy across the world of rugby of restricting the number of games a kid can play to one in a 48 hour period (the rest of the rugby world uses one game a day), which means those kids playing for the school on a Friday evening/Saturday morning, can't play for the Club on a Sunday - therefore the link between the Club and school game is limited (Question - once a kid leaves school, will they transition to the Club game - maybe, but maybe not).
So what does all this data tell us?
Well I don't know yet, but only 18 Club and 10 School Under 18 teams across the whole of West Region (the largest Region in Scottish Rugby) does not sound like we're building for the future - perhaps "fewer, but stronger" is what we’re going to end up with afterall (well the fewer bit anyway).
Excellent piece of work pegj.
DeleteSo here’s a question - why don’t the SRU and the clubs have this information? Could it possibly be that the SRU are more interested in breadth than depth?
Or maybe all press release have to start with biggest, most, largest etc?
p.s. there's another five Schools in West Region playing in the L200 Conference.
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